In this episode of In Conversation With, Mary Margaret Olohan sits down with Alison Cheperdak, etiquette author and former White House staffer, to explore what good manners are actually for, and why they may matter more now than at any previous point in living memory. Cheperdak is not a nostalgist. She is not teaching people which fork to use for its own sake. Her argument, made consistently across the conversation, is that etiquette is the outward form of something inward: integrity, honesty and respect for the person in front of you.